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Uber Catholic group protesting Ale Mary’s existence

My inbox overfloweth with word today that a group on Facebook entitled “500,000 Against “Ale Mary’s” Abuse of the Sacred and the Sublime” – a group of 200 or so (as of now) folks from all over the place that have deemed the Fells Point drinkery/eatery offensive to their religious sensibilities. They have launched a “complaint review” campaign on Yelp, Urbanspoon and any other outlet they can find in an effort to discredit the use of small statues of the Virgin Mary and other such baubles of religiosity within the establishment.

Their MO:

This group has been formed to object to this obvious contempt for these beautiful and sacred things, and to effect change in this establishment so it may celebrate and uphold the genuine beauty and grace of the Catholic Faith in it‘s walls, or respectfully remove it entirely.

The comments left by the members are ….let’s just say, “inflammatory”

See, they have board games and it fees like “Cheers!” Which is awesome because it shows the average clientele is 40-something gay momma’s boys.

Other notable comments point out the “hypocrisy” of how any such place with a “Jewish Kitsch” theme would be considered offensive, whether or not based in any kind of fact or reality – though well known Italian family restaurant Buccas Di Beppo actually has the Pope’s head as a Lazy Susan, but I guess they don’t know about that.

And I’m not suggesting that this group should be shut down, it’s all in the interest of free speech that they can spew their anti-homosexual-pro-chalice-and-crucifix-worship rhetoric until they’re blue in the face, but I did notice that the group is *ahem* an open group, so if one were to have a differing opinion on the matter it wouldn’t be terribly difficult to *cough cough* join the group and *nudge nudge* shut them up right quick with blistering logic and even handed wording.

But seriously guys, 500,000 against Ale Mary’s? Maybe start with a more modest goal like 10,000. I’m sure there are enough insane Catholics around to fill that slot, if you tried really hard!

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  • http://profiles.google.com/daniel.lory.ewald Daniel E

    Most congregants of St. Sebastian Independent Catholic Church, especially our Bishop, loves Ale Mary’s. The only thing sinful about the place is how wicked good the tater-tots are.

    • http://citythatbreeds.com Evan

      I see what you did there

    • http://twitter.com/bob_smithey Bob Smithey

      I guess you mean soggy goopy tots, then sure…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=738945533 Angela Hubbubaloo Burneko

    I will gladly handle the tot surplus their no doubt enormously impactful absence will create.

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  • Eve

    Nobody is complaining about the statues.  Mama’s on the Half Shell has statues too.  Our problem is with the profane use of Sacred Vessels. 

    • Mo Sizlack

       By the very nature of which you judge others you contradict the very teachings you supposedly preach….

      • Eve

        1 Corinthians 6:3Know you not that we shall judge angels? how much more things of this world?

        • KGM801

           There HAS to be a better use of your time than protesting about one silly little bar that you don’t even have to GO TO if you don’t want to.  Adopt a dog or something, sheesh. 

        • bible thumper

          “If two men, a man and his countryman, are struggling together, and the wife of one comes near to deliver her husband from the hand of the one who is striking him, and puts out her hand and seizes his genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.” I can quote the bible too!

    • SpaceManAndy

      Why not just not go there anymore? Does the existence of this theme make you so uncomfortable that even in not going there, you still can’t handle it?

      • Eve

        Why not ignore my comments?  Or is that the standard you only expect from others?

        • SpaceManAndy

          I’m trying to understand your point.

    • Alison VanDeursen

       they’re not sacred vessels.  they are desanctified.  they are just things. 

      • Eve

        They are still Sacred Vessels.  Nowhere does the Churcht teach what you are claiming.

        • KittyKate19

          The church also teaches to not worship idols or statues – they are indeed just things.
          Exodus 20:4-6
          4  “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5  You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

    • Michael

       why don’t you worry about your “church” having the institutional perk of child rape for its leaders, darling? not to mention the years of misogyny and abuse of women. or the vast amounts of wealth it sits on while the poor go sick and hungry. or the lavish silk-covered lifestyles the hierarchy enjoys that would make jesus puke. mmmkay?

    • eoeo

      Oh dear, Eve, what are your hours and hours of Web vigilance taking away from the time you as a good Catholic have no doubt set aside for works of mercy, action for social justice, all-around good-Samaritanism, and tidying up the sacristy? Or has your theology been streamlined to the simple mantra of WWJGANO [Who Would Jeezis Go All Nuclear On]?  

      For *my* next work of mercy (I know my obligations; I had 10 years of Catholic schooling) I’ll be tipping the bartender extra.  I haven’t gone to Ale M.’s very often, but every visit’s been a treat and now I’ve decided to visit again soon, and probably oftener than I would have without your foray into missionary nastiness.  

    • Sacred….

      I never thought of a beer glass as a sacred vessel before…

  • SpaceManAndy

    Comment from the page regarding whether or not it’s relevant that gays are involved at Ale Mary’s:

    “it’s totally “relavent” because we’re talking about one of the most callous, insular, ignorant, and nasty subgroups of our culture, in terms of hostility towards the Catholic Church. “I’m gay but a faithful Catholic” is the battle cry of the subversive. It’s a shame that most of the people who aren’t disgusted by this display probably also aren’t disgusted by homosexuality either.”
    Yup. This is a group of winners right here. Rather than accepting people who are different from themselves, they want to shut them down. Instead of live and let live, they want EVERYONE to find gays disgusting. Rather than letting Ale Mary’s do their thing and simply not go there, they want Ale Mary’s to change, because their mere existence makes them uncomfortable.

    QUICK EVERYONE! Let’s all bend over backward and fall into line with what one particular group wants so that they don’t feel uncomfortable. Because god forbid a small group (most of whom have probably never even been there) doesn’t feel uncomfortable.

    P.S. Yeah, I used the lord’s name in vain. Want to form a facebook group against me?

  • Eve

    Brilliant someone is wasting their time protesting the protest taht they claim is a waste of time.  The irony is rich

    • SpaceManAndy

      No one is protesting your group. We aren’t asking you to change. We just think it’s silly and pointing it out. You’re the one asking other people to change because you feel uncomfortable.

      • Eve

        You asked why I don’t simply ignore it.  I’m applying your own stanrded to you.  What’s the problem.  If you don’t like our protest, then simply ignore it.

        • SpaceManAndy

          Because it’s funny.

        • BmoreReasonable

          Ridiculous. Traveling herdsmen wrote a book thousands of years ago about an imaginary being up in the sky and people in the 21st centuy actually take it as truth! It’s about time society started taking religion less seriously, not more so…

  • http://twitter.com/NuttyLizard Gina

    Since when has logic ever worked with groups like this? Chances are excellent that anything at a bar was bought from a wholesaler and never sacred to begin with. Which makes their whole point moot. And the whole gay bashing thing? Please, come say that to my face. I’ll be at St. Ignatius this Saturday, celebrating the resurrection of someone who would slap you upside your little head. 

    Excuse me. I need to go sit quietly in a corner now. 

  • Eve

    I spoke to the owner and that is not the case.  Thanks for the threat of violence(I guess that is what you refer to as “logic”).  Our Lord hates disordered acts and I suggest you hed St. Paul’s words taht you are eating and drinking to your own damnation when you recieve Our Lord in a state of sin. 

    • SpaceManAndy


      Our Lord hates disordered acts” YOUR lord. Please don’t hold everyone to your set of rules. That’s not fair. Not everyone believes what you believe.

      • Eve

        I was speaking specifrically to someone who claims to be Catholic. 

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

          That doesn’t mean you share the same god. Clearly hers is a loving and accepting one, and yours is a hateful and judgmental one. Same religion does not equal the same understanding or acceptance of the same god.

          • Reginald Buxley

            ZUP LIZ!!!! @davecricket:twitter 

          • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

            SUP BOO.

        • Eve

          Then she isn’t Catholic and should stay out of the Church.  I don’t care what religion she follows, she is posing as a Catholic and I am going to address her as such. 

          • Reginald Buxley

            How duth thou feeleth abouteth thine jews?

          • Tomrivers1

            Your names not eve .. It’s geneiveve Nicole. Why would you lie about somthing like that?? Be honest use your real name.. After all your the one that started the holy war against ale Marys

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

           Oh, so only those who you deem qualified are allowed to call themselves Catholic? I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were god. Carry on.

        • Michael

           which means you are someone that supports child rape and the cover-up thereof. neither you, nor your church has any moral authority to speak to anyone.

    • Full-o-Grace

       wrk on yer speling. 

      • Eve

        Ah, a mature point.  When reason and logic fail resort to petty attacks.  This must be more of that fine logic and “better person” drek I’ve been reading about on here.

    • Wayne

      Haha, this is great! So appropriate that a close-minded religious person would take “logic” as a threat of violence…

  • Eve

    ” I can quote the bible too!”  Good.  Now learn to understand it and then you’ll be doing something

    • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

      • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

        That of course is only a response to the gay-bashing which took place on the page, and has since been removed.

        But the overall point here is that the bible was written by man, not your god. And has been translated thousands of times. So, turning to the bible to determine what is right and wrong is like turning to Craigslist to find a lawyer.

        • Eve

          It was recorded by man, revealed by God.  And the Latin Vulgate is true to that Revealation.  If you don’t like it then avoid the Church, Catholics and all our articles.  See how that works?

          • Reginald Buxley

            If you don’t like Ale Marys, please avoide it, the patrons and all their tots. See how that works?

      • Eve

        If this is what you believe then go to that “church” and leave the RCC and it’s Sacred Relics and Vessels alone.

  • Eve

    Oh, I see. so you can acknowledge our protest because it’s funny.  But we can’t acknowledge something that is offensive.  Got it.  The logic is just a rolling in here

    • SpaceManAndy

      You’re missing my point (as well as how to respond to a specific comment). My point is this:

      You’re not merely acknowledging that it is offensive (to a small group of people), you are asking them to change. If your FB group merely said “Hey, that place is offensive to us, let’s not go there.” That would be absolutely fine. But you are asking them to change when the vast majority of their clientele is fine with the theme. 

      We are not asking you to change, we’re just pointing out how silly it is since you have the power to simply not go there if you didn’t want to be offended.

      • Eve

        And you are missing the point, you can invest time and effort into replying to something you merely find “silly” while claiming we shouldn’t be bothered with replying to things we find offensive.  I don’t give a hoot what that bar does, I care about the items.  They belong in a church.  He should give them back and the protest will end.  I’m sure you’d feel very different if someone to what was special to you and crapped on it. 

        • SpaceManAndy

          If he bought them, how do they still belong to the church?

        • falnfenix

          I find you/your group offensive.  Since you apparently expect Ale Mary’s to change, will you do the same and stop acting like spoiled brats?

          Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean it must be changed.  Grow up.

        • Jbaldwin2

           Please let the Church you attend make the owner a fair offer for all of the desanctified items you wish to have back.  I’m sure if the offer is fair he would gladly consider your wishes. 

  • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

    Haha, I lasted about 5 minutes in the group, and was promptly kicked out after posting a video about gays and the bible (which no one will watch, I’m sure).

    On the plus side, I am once again affirmed that as an atheist, I am still a better all-around person than some of these hateful people.

    • Eve

      And how much time have you spend reading Church Doctrine?  Typical double standard.  I guess that is what makes you a better, less hateful  person.

      • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

         I spent twelve years in Catholic school, studying the bible. But that’s not what I mean by being a better all-around person. What I mean is that I don’t rely on the bible to tell me how to treat people. And I do not treat people well because I am afraid of going to hell.

        With that being said, I do realize that some of the things I have said were unfairly judgmental and slightly derogatory. For those things, I apologize.

        • Eve

          You call this “treating people well”?  Figures.  Going to Catholic school and studying the Bible outside of what the Church teaches doesn’t mean you’ve invested anytime in actually studying the Bible.  This is the bottomline, we are respectfully asking that he return these items to the Church.  I offered to compensate him.  That is all we want.  Unlike everyone else here, we are not trying to force our beliefs on anyone, just interested in protecting what is ours.

          • BmoreReasonable

            You own those items? God owns them?

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

          I could argue the same thing with the way you’re speaking to everyone here (“shut your pie hole”?), and with some of the comments that your fellow group members have made.

          Look, I apologized for some of the comments I made. But I will stand by the fact that I /have/ studied the bible. I don’t know what you consider investing time in studying it, but I spent 12 years studying it and analyzing it in school (under the guidance of everyone from nuns to theologians). And though I learned what the bible teaches, I also learned that man wrote the bible, and man is fallible. There are many different interpretations to what man has written about what your gods laws for his people really are. Just because you and the pope have one idea of what is right, does not mean that your ideas /are/ right.

          All of that aside, the owner has no obligation to return these items to the church. They were bought from third party suppliers, and there is not much you and your group members can do to get him to do what you’re asking. So, continue your crusade; but don’t fool yourself into expecting a result that will be favorable to you.

      • falnfenix

        Eve, just how much time have *you* spent reading church doctrine? 

        • Eve

          A lot.  If you ahve questions, I’d love to answer

        • falnfenix

          By “a lot” what, exactly, do you mean?  Please cite your specific education level.

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

          And how much time do you spend reading different interpretations of the bible? Because those do count as well, you know. If you’d like to have a well-rounded understanding of the things it teaches.

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

           Oh, oh! I have a question!

          Exactly what are the different things that are outlined as being sinful in Leviticus? And exactly how many of those things do you adhere to?

          • Reginald Buxley

             Off the top of my head….
            You shouldn’t trim the sides of your hair or the corners of your bead.
            You shouldn’t eat blood.
            You shouldn’t eat fruit from trees that fruit until the 4th year, as the foreskin of the fruit is unclean as that of the foreskin of man.
            No cutting or tattooing of the skin, specifically in regards to the names of the deceased.

  • Eve

    because they were most likely sold illicitly.

    • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

       So, what if they were just replicas, and never belonged to a church? Then this wouldn’t matter at all?

      • Eve

        It would matter because it would still be scandal.  But that is a moot point because I spoke with the owner and they are not replicas. 

        • SpaceManAndy

          Oh, a scandal? Heaven forbid the Catholic Church were seen in a negative light. No pun intended.

    • SpaceManAndy

      Most likely? Get your facts before you accuse someone of wrong-doing.

      • Eve

        My facts are straight.  These things have no place in a bar and people in the church have no business selling them for profane reasons. 
        and here’s the double standard again.  You have the facts straight?  You know the circumstances of sale?  NO.  Then shut your pie hole about what I know.

        • SpaceManAndy

          You’re the one that said they were MOST LIKELY sold illicitly. You’re the one that said that. That means you do not know for sure.

    • falnfenix

       I wasn’t aware there was a black market for items from a church.

  • Eve

    “Oh, so only those who you deem qualified are allowed to call themselves Catholic? I’m sorry, I didn’t realize you were god. Carry on.”
    No, only those who hold the specific Dogma can call themselves Catholic.  That is what the Church teaches.  If you don’t like it, then don’t become Catholic.  Nice hyperbole though. 

    • falnfenix

        If you don’t like it, then don’t become Catholic.

      Just like…if you don’t like what this bar does, don’t visit this bar?

      • KGM801

         I wouldn’t bother with logic with this one. 

        • falnfenix

          But I’m late to the game and just getting caught up on the fun!  May I have fun?  PLEEEEEAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSEEEEE??!?  :D

        • Eve

          You mean the logic that I have the right to protest?  Or the logic that you are openly protesting me for my protest?  Or perhaps the logic of violence already threatened against my person?

      • Eve

        I don’t visit the bar.  I went once being dragged there and went back to take pictures.  The bar isn’t my business, those objects are. 

        • falnfenix

          So you were dragged in once, decided you didn’t like it, yet you went back to prove you’re a twit?

          Awesome.  Keep going back and spending money.  I’m sure the owners appreciate the business!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000883561791 Alexander Mitchell

           Like fuck they are, unless they were stolen from your possession.

          Sorry, but neither you nor I exercise any right to tell anyone else what to do with their lawfully acquired items.

        • Holy Moley

          Bullshit, they are the owners property and none of your business,.

  • Eve

    “I find you/your group offensive.  Since you apparently expect Ale Mary’s to change, will you do the same and stop acting like spoiled brats?Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean it must be changed.  Grow up.”I don’t care that Ale Mary’s offends me.  I care taht tehy are physically violating what is Sacred to me.  If I ever cross that line with you, then you can complain.  Until then, your “offense taken” means squat.

    • falnfenix

      The freedom to decorate one’s property is sacred to me.

      • falnfenix

        And really, I’m not kidding about that.  I find this whole thing utterly preposterous.  It’s THEIR establishment, and they can decorate it as they see fit.  They own the items in question and one would assume they acquired them through legal means (because there’s no such thing as a black market for religious symbols in the US, lol).  They. Can. Do. With. Them. As. They. Please.  Only those who have an overblown sense of entitlement actually expect anything to happen in their favor here.

        • Eve

          It’s their establishment and it’s the Church’s property, my mind and a free internet.  What’s the problem

          • Holy Moley

            Liar, the church does not own them, dearie.

        • falnfenix

          If they purchased the items, they are their property.  Do you understand what that means?

      • Eve

        Is that so if your neighbor decorated their yard with a donkey pooping on a star of david, you’d not mind one bit?  Good to know

        • falnfenix

          It’s not my yard and they’re not my possessions.  Thus is the freedom of expression, and the world in which I choose to live.  Because the alternative is a terrifying one where the government monitors and “punishes” us for everything we might say or do.

    • SpaceManAndy

      Excuse me if I don’t put much stock into what the church considers sacred versus profane when priests who molest children are sacred but my loving and supportive relationship is profane. 

      • falnfenix

        That’s a whole other ball o’wax that she probably doesn’t want to discuss here.

        At least, she’d be wise to avoid discussing it here, lest she truly out herself as a hateful douchecanoe.

        • Eve

          I see, more fine logic.  I find perverted behavoir disgusting and I am hateful.  But when a bar trashes what I believe, hey that’s just plain hip. 

        • falnfenix

          Love is perverted?  That’s news to me.  

      • Eve

        I don’t care if you put stock in it.  Who is trying to force you to believe anything.  Others of us do believe and it is not too much to ask for the nonbelievers to keep off our religious articles. 
        The priest who molest children are usually of your ilk, so there you go

        • falnfenix

          By “your ilk” you mean sinners?  Or human males?

          I knew one of those priests.  He was the pastor of my church when I was a kid.  Shot himself in the head when someone finally spoke out about it.  He also had sex with a half dozen women in the parish.  All the children he molested were girls.  C-C-C-C-Combo breaker!

        • SpaceManAndy

          But they get to remain priests, and thus sacred. And my behavior is perverted. 

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

          Maybe while we’re educating ourselves on Church doctrine, Eve here can educate herself on the difference between a homosexual, and pedophile. Because she doesn’t seem to understand that there /is/ a difference.

          But I guess she only cares to educate herself on religious matters, and not ones that pertain to the real world….

  • Aaron Hankins

    Oh, for the LOVE OF GOD, please just, GIVE DARWIN A CHANCE!  

    • Eve

      Because anyone has any evidence at all of evolution? 

      • SpaceManAndy

        LOL! I don’t even need to respond to this. You criticize us for not reading up on our bible. Try checking into the scientific method. It’s a thing.

        • Eve

          No please respond.  Show me any evidence of evolution according to Darwin’s Theory(you do know what theory means right?).

        • Eve

          It does not shock me that people who engage in base perversion what to believe that they are evolved from monkeys.  Out of the fullness of the heart the mouth speaks.  You act like an animal perhaps you should leave civilization and go live with the animals

      • Aaron Hankins

         If you get it, you get it, if you don’t, you don’t.  You obviously didn’t. 

        But, you’re right, there is ABSOLUTELY no evidence of evolution, at least with you being the test case. 

        • Eve

          typical.  No proof can be given so simply brush me off as someone who “doesn’t get it.” 

          • SpaceManAndy

            Isn’t that what you’re doing? No proof of your religion, yet you can still pass judgement on us as perverts.

          • Angry_Mike

            I do love it when religious people ask me to prove stuff. A) the absence of proof doesn’t prove their point, and B) THERE IS PLENTY OF GODDAMN PROOF

          • Angry_Mike

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin's_finches
            Commence telling me wikipedia is not a viable source of info and clearly this is evidence of nothing. also god is love, except for those damn homos.

      • falnfenix

        You must have been FUN in science class.

        • Eve

          Fun?  No, I was interested in facts.  Fun was for people who follow theories as if they are fact.

          • Yawp

            Here’s a fact: There is no evidence that any God exists.

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

           I read that as “fun was for people who follow theologies as if they are fact,” and for a second thought that you actually understood what we were talking about.

        • http://twitter.com/ladyhawke82 ladyhawke82

          You mean like those who follow religion, right? Because religion is a whole bunch of “theory” that certain individuals try to pass off as “fact”.

  • Eve

    “Please let the Church you attend make the owner a fair offer for all of the desanctified items you wish to have back.  I’m sure if the offer is fair he would gladly consider your wishes.”
    I asked the bartender if I could buy them.  He said no.  I called the owner and left a voice mail offering to buy them, which he ignored.  He didn’t bother returning my call until he saw my urbanspoon review and even then it was only to yell at and mock me. 

    • SpaceManAndy

      He probably doesn’t understand your connection to his cups. Things are only sacred if you consider it so.

      • Eve

        And here you go arguing when you don’t know a thing about it(something for which you rebuked me earlier).  he is Catholic he knows, I also left a detailed message about my “connection.” And he specifically told me that he has had them Blessed and then immediately “desanctified” numerous times.  The man is aware.  But taht wasn’t the point of your comment was it?  No, you were commenting in hope to embarrass me for loving the Sacred. 

        • SpaceManAndy

          No. I was trying to point out that what is sacred to you is not sacred to everyone. Your body of sacred vessels are someone’s stemware.

    • http://citythatbreeds.com Evan

      This is just as a “Hey try this,” but why not have a very friendly, soft spoken Father give them a call and ask if they can give these items a good home where they will be cherished, rather than instantly launching into protest and admonishing everyone who doesn’t share your worldview

      • Eve

        You mean the way you gave the benefit of the doubt in your blog?  I spoke kindly to the barman and was declined.  I left a polite message to the owner, which was ignored.  Finalyl, I used internet recourse and left a bad review.  months later the owner returned my call and he was not interested in an adult conversation.  all he cared about was getting the review taken down.  We didn’t instantly launch into a protest.  This protest started after months of trying other avenues. 

        • http://citythatbreeds.com Evan

          Ha, benefit of the doubt? Sorry I found it difficult to do so after reading the hyperbolic craziness in the title slash description of the group and the proceeding commentary- sorry for jumping the gun yo

          Fine, replace “instantly” with “over the course of months” – but if one unanswered phone call and a “no” got you this fired up over the course of months and “other avenues” didn’t work, maybe try the soft spoken Father technique – and when you do, I’ll take full credit

        • Tomrivers1

          Eve ?? Jen?? Why don’t you use your real name geneiveve Nicole . You must have multiple personalities as well as multiple versions of the truth!!

  • Eve

    “I could argue the same thing with the way you’re speaking to everyone here (“shut your pie hole”?), and with some of the comments that your fellow group members have made.”
    Yes and when I go around telling everyone I’m a good person, you can throw that in my face.  I told him to shut his pie hole, because he is speaking nonsense and giving me the very same attitude.

    • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

       So you agree that ‘devout Catholic’ and ‘good person’ are not the same thing?

      Besides, being snarky doesn’t mean I’m not a good person. I do my best to show people the same amount of respect they show me. So far you’ve shown me very little. I’m trying to rise above and keep my snark to a minimum. But my goodness, you sure do make that difficult.

      • Eve

        Keep trying to convince yourself that you are a good person.  A fool may believe you.

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

           That means that you would believe me, doesn’t it?

          It’s ok though. I really don’t need to prove it to anyone. I will just keep doing what I do, regardless of people like you who try to tear me down.

  • Eve

    “No. I was trying to point out that what is sacred to you is not sacred to everyone. Your body of sacred vessels are someone’s stemware.”  I accept that it is scared to all.  When I try to force my beliefs on you, then we’ll talk about this faux point.  If they don’t find it scared then leave them alone. 

    • SpaceManAndy

      My love is sacred to me and you called it perverted behavior. What now?

      • Eve

        What do you mean what now?  Are you asking me to repeat it? 

        • SpaceManAndy

          “When I try to force my beliefs on you, then we’ll talk about this faux point.”  You’re telling me that what I hold sacred is perverse. I have love in my heart. You have judgement and hate. 

  • Eve

    “By “your ilk” you mean sinners?  Or human males?”You know very well what I mean.”I knew one of those priests.  He was the pastor of my church when I was a kid.  Shot himself in the head when someone finally spoke out about it.  He also had sex with a half dozen women in the parish.  All the children he molested were girls.  C-C-C-C-Combo breaker!”  Right, because gay men never have sex with women.  Animals aren’t off the table either.  They obsession with sex doesn’t keep them from much

    • SpaceManAndy

      You are a hateful person. You are. You think that just because a man falls in love with another man, he would have sex with an animal. The gloves are off. You are a bigot. You are hateful. You are ignorant. You are an awful human being. 

      • Eve

        You think you evolved from monkeys.  What would keep you from having sex with something you consider your own species?

        • SpaceManAndy

          Because we aren’t monkeys now. I don’t understand your question. I am attracted to human males. I have no physical attraction to things outside my species. Why would I have sex with an animal. I don’t follow.

        • R_mutt

          We believe humans & “monkeys” share a common ancestor…not that we “evolved from monkeys.”  But you’ve already demonstrated that you don’t understand what a theory is, so I can understand why this distinction would be lost on you.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=738945533 Angela Hubbubaloo Burneko

          Are you aware that Pope JP2 said 
          “evolution is no longer a mere hypothesis” and should in fact be seen as 
          “a fundamental church teaching?”  You’re out of step with the very institution you claim to speak on behalf of.  
          http://www.catholic.org/national/national_story.php?id=18524

    • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

      HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA.

      So what of us dykes, then? Do we also have an obsession with sex that leads us to indulge in sex with animals?

      No, really. Please educate me. I need to learn more about what being gay is like. You’re obviously as well-versed on this subject as I am with the bible. Surely you know what you’re talking about, being a heterosexual individual and all.

      • Eve

        dead bed

        • SpaceManAndy

          What does that mean?

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

          ?

          Congratulations on making less sense in this post than you have in any of the others.

    • falnfenix

      No, he was quite straight.  He was also a child molester.  There’s a huge, huge, MASSIVE difference between men who love other men and men who like to touch children.

      For all your attempts at sounding intelligent, if you’re incapable of parsing the basic difference between a pedophile and a homosexual, you’ve just proven yourself a functional idiot.  Congrats!

  • Eve

    “By “a lot” what, exactly, do you mean?  Please cite your specific education level.”Education level ahs nothing to do with it.  But if you are asking if I am college educated, I am.  My time studying the Church is done in my free time. 

    • Falnfenix

      Ah, so you’re self-taught.  Which means you were not actually guided by people who know what they’re talking about…which means you’re simply trying to interpret a TWO THOUSAND YEAR OLD DOCUMENT that MAY OR MAY NOT be true.

      Which version of the bible do you follow?

      • Eve

        No, actually it means I am reading fromt he saints, popes and doctors and they are church approved.  Try again

  • Eve

    “Maybe while we’re educating ourselves on Church doctrine, Eve here can educate herself on the difference between a homosexual, and pedophile. Because she doesn’t seem to understand that there /is/ a difference.But I guess she only cares to educate herself on religious matters, and not ones that pertain to the real world….”Did I say there wasn’t a difference?  Two different mental disorders.  It just so happens that people suffering from one also suffer from the other. 

    • Falnfenix

      Let me attempt to clarify what you’re spewing:
      Homosexuality and pedophilia are both mental disorders, therefore they occur in the same person?

      One could say talking to imaginary friends in the sky is a mental disorder.  Yours seems to be particularly debilitating.  I suggest checking yourself into a facility before you become a danger to society.

      • Eve

        k, and feel free to say it all you want_ I’m sure you do anyway.  Unlike everyone here, I don’t care what others think.  I care about protecting Church property, that is all.

        • Falnfenix

          You still fail to understand the items in question are no longer church property.

          Good lord you’re thick.

    • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

      Oh, you’re also a psychologist? Goodness gracious, you sure have done a lot of learnin’! Last I checked, Homosexuality was not in the DSM-IV.

      Going to have to agree with these other gentlemen; there is no having a reasonable conversation with you. You are stubborn and closed-minded person, and nothing we say is going to change your mind. At this point, we’re just responding to see what outrageous thing you’ll come up with next.

      We will probably just laugh about this later, over a drink at Ale Mary’s.

      • Eve

        Nope, but I am familiar with how medical science viewed this activity until they were bullied into reclassifying it.

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

          Ah, yes. Why was I so foolish as to think that someone who believes literally everything the bible says would believe in something that has been revised in order to incorporate expanding knowledge on a subject. Forgive me, that was foolish.

    • SpaceManAndy

      I’m surprised you’re brave enough to talk to us. Aren’t you afraid you’ll catch it?

  • Eve

    “But they get to remain priests, and thus sacred. And my behavior is perverted”

    I can’t understand what one has to do with the other? 

    • SpaceManAndy

      You seem to think that love between two adults is somehow just as bad as child abuse.

  • Eve

    “It’s not my yard and they’re not my possessions.  Thus is the freedom of expression, and the world in which I choose to live.  Because the alternative is a terrifying one where the government monitors and “punishes” us for everything we might say or do”
    I see, so if see, someone were to use their freedom of expression on the net to protest a bar, you’d have no problem?

    • Falnfenix

      I have a problem with the idea that you’re demanding they change their decor.  You seem to have difficulty with the idea that you don’t need to patronize that bar. 

      • Eve

        No problem at all.  I don’t patronize the bar.

        • Falnfenix

          So their choice to display their possessions in a manner of their choosing truly has no bearing on your life.

          You fail at basic logic.

  • Eve

    “Love is perverted?  That’s news to me”
    when even heterosexual sex isn’t the equvolent of love, on what grounds are you claiming sodomy is?

    • SpaceManAndy

      Not all sex is love, but when two men do love each other, how else are they supposed to have sex?

      • Eve

        They aren’t supposed to. 

        • SpaceManAndy

          Why not?

        • SpaceManAndy

          I just want one valid reason why gay people should not have adult consenting sex that ISN’T about the catholic church. Because the church has no dominion over me.

  • SpaceManAndy

    Eve, I do know what theory means in a scientific context. Do you? “A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported with repeated testing. A theory is valid as long as there is no evidence to dispute it.” 
    http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistry101/a/lawtheory.htm

    • Eve

      Right, it is a valid THEORY.  It is not fact. 

      • SpaceManAndy

        You never really studied science, did you? Science, unlike religion, ALWAYS leaves room for adjustment based on new evidence. Look through science. They never claim facts. Theory is the term they use when they have tested repeatedly and have a really good idea. But they aren’t arrogant enough to call it fact. Ever.

        • Eve

          Exactly.  So show me the evidence?  There is none, so it is still merely a theory, not fact.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=738945533 Angela Hubbubaloo Burneko

        Gravity is just a theory too.  Do you jump out of windows?

        • Eve

          You are claiming there is no proof of gravity? Do YOU jump out of windows?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=738945533 Angela Hubbubaloo Burneko

          Holy cow.  Is it still April Fool’s Day in your time zone?  Please tell me it is.

  • Eve

    “I read that as “fun was for people who follow theologies as if they are fact,” and for a second thought that you actually understood what we were talking about.”

    Oh no I get it.  For instance there is a lot of false theology.  And even the Truth theology isn’t forced on people.  You know, tehy way evolution is forced on people

    • SpaceManAndy

      Should we also stop forcing the Pythagorean theorem on people? I mean, are there alternate theories to math? Should we stop forcing it down our childrens’ throats?

      • Eve

        I was unaware that it was taught as fact. 

    • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

      Noticing that my Leviticus question has gone unanswered…..

      • Eve

        then you aren’t very observant.

        • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

           Fale. I posted my comment 15 minutes ago, you posted your response to me 13 minutes ago. I am observant of time stamps.

  • Eve

    “Exactly what are the different things that are outlined as being sinful in Leviticus? And exactly how many of those things do you adhere to?”
    The entire book is filled with law.  I would literally have to quote the entire book, which I am not going to do because even if I did, you wouldn’t read it. 
    That being said, we are no longer under the letter of the law, but the spirit of the law and we are a new creation so many disciplines are no longer binding. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=738945533 Angela Hubbubaloo Burneko

      “many disciplines are no longer binding”Uh, yeah.  That was the point of the question you’re answering.  So which ones are you still following other than condemning consenting adults for their private lives?  What is your shirt made of?  And how do you determine, in all your earthly wisdom, which letters of which laws you’re going to insist we all adhere to and which we can ignore, since apparently you’re the one who gets to decide that?

      • Eve

        That is not what she asked.  The natural law is still binding.  The other laws are followed in spirit.  And if you think that can be answered in a thread, then you are worse off that I thought.  If you honestly want to know, I doubt you do- then I can give your suggested reading.  You can start with the Haydock Bible Commentary which is free and online

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=738945533 Angela Hubbubaloo Burneko

          I don’t ask questions to which I do not wish to hear answers; what would be the point of that?  So, in that vein, what is your shirt made of?  And is it April Fool’s Day in your timezone?  Are you performance art?  Does your free online bible commentary answer those questions?  

          Your response assumes many things, by the way, one of which seems to be that I am not Catholic.  I am.  You don’t speak for me.

  • Eve

    “That means that you would believe me, doesn’t it?It’s ok though. I really don’t need to prove it to anyone. I will just keep doing what I do, regardless of people like you who try to tear me down”
    Perhaps I would ahve if you didn’t insult, apologize then insult again.  So I’m thinking the only person who is going to believe you is yourself.  But even that I doubt. 

    • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

       Being snarky isn’t the same as openly insulting you, as you’ve been doing to me this whole time. Like I said, I show people the same amount of respect as they show me. I apologized because you had yet to show me any disrespect, and I recognized that. Once you did, the gloves came off, and my apology was revoked.

  • SpaceManAndy

    Eve, here is an example of evolution in modern history: The peppered moth. In England the vast majority of peppered moths were white. Then during the Industrial Revolution all of the white trees that were their habitat turned black from the soot. The white moths were picked off my predators, and the black moths were left to breed. This resulted in the vast majority of peppered moths being black. When England cleaned up their act, and the trees turned white again, the black moths were picked off by predators and the white moths bred. Now the majority of peppered moths are white. That’s evolution. 
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/5577724/Moth-turns-from-black-to-white-as-Britains-polluted-skies-change-colour.html  

    • Eve

      That isn’t evolution, The white moths didn’t evolve inot black moths.  That is the environment evolving around them.  I never said there weren’t other forms of evolving, for example this thread has evolved from the topic to trying to break me.  There is no evidence of Darwin’s theory.  There is no link there is no missing link.  There is no proof.  But you seem pretty convince that you are kin to animals.  You should leave the civilized world and go dwell with them.

      • SpaceManAndy

        Darwin’s theory IS natural selection. AKA EXACTLY Darwin’s theory. Favorable traits are kept, and unfavorable traits are bred out. Darwin’s theory is that this happens over millions of years. Your theory is that it happened one day.

      • Falnfenix

        What makes you think humans aren’t animals?

    • http://citythatbreeds.com Evan

       (that’s natural selection, a facet of evolution, but your point still stands)

      • SpaceManAndy

        I stand corrected. Thank you, Evan.

  • Eve

    “You still fail to understand the items in question are no longer church property”
    So if something is unlawfully taken from you, it is no longer your’s?  good to know. 

    • Falnfenix

      How did the owners of the items steal them?  

      • Falnfenix

        Furthermore, if this is a true case of theft under the law (not church law), why are these people not being prosecuted for theft?

        Oh wait, because they purchased the items legally. 

  • Eve

    So their choice to display their possessions in a manner of their choosing truly has no bearing on your life.You fail at basic logic.”I can’t have a public opinion about a public bar?  I’d say logic is short somewhere for sure.

    • Falnfenix

      Protesting and demanding they change their decor is a bit beyond simply having a public opinion.

  • Eve

    Fale. I posted my comment 15 minutes ago, you posted your response to me 13 minutes ago. I am observant of time stamps”
    You have a problem with the fact that I answered within two minutes of the question while you complained about it well after I posted the answer?

    • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

       No, I have a problem with the fact that you claimed I was unobservant. I was just pointing out that I am indeed observant, you had just not posted your response yet.

      At this point there’s no way you’re not an internet troll. I mean, that post didn’t even warrant a response, haha.

  • Eve

    “Holy cow.  Is it still April Fool’s Day in your time zone?  Please tell me it is.”
    lol, that’s what I thought

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=738945533 Angela Hubbubaloo Burneko

      You also thought that you were an elaborate troll?

    • jz

      Eve, it’s a name?!  Sticks and stones?  No?  If you don’t like the place then don’t go there, but don’t hurt one’s business.  In actuality, you are just giving them more publicity.  No offense, the Catholic Church has a lot of other problems to deal with,  priests molesting children, if you haven’t heard.  I always found it funny that for a religion to be so against homosexuality, but the one thing that they are known for is their priests molesting boys.  Crazy world that we live.  So sayeth the Shepherd!

  • SpaceManAndy

    Sooo, I have come to the conclusion that Eve is a teenage boy sitting in his mother’s basement who thought it would be funny to pretend to be a religious kook. Nobody can seriously believe that homosexuality and child abuse are on the same level. If Eve is not a troll, OMG, I have never met anyone with such hate in their heart and such willful ignorance of logic and facts. Faith is a wonderful thing, blind faith used as an excuse for hate is despicable. Christianity teaches love. If there is a god, may he/she/it have mercy on your soul.

    • Falnfenix

      That’s the funny thing about organized religion…it’s easily perverted (omg!) from its origins.

      Sad to say I’ve met people just like Eve, so I’m willing to believe this is a real person.

    • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

       I am so glad that none of the religious people I know are like this.

    • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

      Oh, she does indeed exist. My guess is that Eve = Genevieve Nicole from the group on Facebook. Which means that she is Genevieve Nicole Frost, resident of Ocean City, Maryland. Maybe we can stop by and have a drink with her the next time we visit my parents? haha.

      Also, I refuse to believe that any woman who plays rugby /isn’t/ a lesbian. I’m pretty sure Kendall can back me up on this one…

  • jz

    man, I would love all of this free publicity;)  why didn’t I think about this first, I had to pay 115k!

    • http://citythatbreeds.com Evan

      don’t worry dude plenty of time to think of something else, may I suggest keeping a statue of Kali with beer openers for arms at the new place?

      • Angry_Mike

        SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY

  • http://twitter.com/lizrawr Liz™

    Guys, I’m offended by the way Golden West decorates. Have you seen that moose head they have on the wall? As an occasional vegetarian, I think they should really take it down, because it offends me and my beliefs. Let’s protest! Let’s tell them that the moose head should be back where it belongs, in the wild. They should return it there, or incur our wrath!

    • Reginald Buxley

       500,000 strong against moose heads at Golden West!!

  • Ryan97ou

    you don’t wanna go to europe then, where they’ve turned entire churches into bars. on that note…i’m outta here.  you’ve motivated me to head to alewife for a beer. Eve – thanks for reminding me how much i love that place, i almost forgot until you made such fuss.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTBZWE46XD7J6DQMMKN45KBKCE Aurora

    I’m going to posit that “Eve” is not really Catholic and not really interested in the artifacts at Ale Mary’s at all.  But rather some bored guy/girl who loves taking an opposing view on a debate (any debate) and spends the day or a few days responding to every comment that is opposite from the position they’ve taken because it’s fun to them.  

    Some people watch TV, some people love to troll.

    • http://citythatbreeds.com Evan

      either way it’s a fine time ain’t it

      • http://profile.yahoo.com/CTBZWE46XD7J6DQMMKN45KBKCE Aurora

         The blog that started this whole thing just fired off another blog post about the article on “anti-Catholic Baltimore Sun”   They’re on a roll.

  • Apinksquirrel

    Holy f***balls. I only got so far through the comments before it became tl;dr, but I can say that I have two VERY catholic friends who find ale Mary’s fantastic.. And they aren’t the folks that only go on Christmas and Easter. They’re dedicated to their faith and one is very active in her church. This just sounds like butthurt to me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000427653068 David Taylor

    You can’t drink from that cup… a guy in a dress said magic words and imbued it with the spirits of my imaginary friend!!!

    Seriously… I hope there’s a BBQ special today (Good Friday, named for Fr??edæ?, meaning the “day of Frigg” who is roughly equivalent to the goddess Venus)

    Happy Merry Good Venus Day!!!

  • acw

    Jesus fucking Christ.  Will everyone just ignore the troll?  She’s already fat on the attention and you’re still feeding her.

  • Tomrivers1

    To all my supporters out there … Thank you all for your support and kind words. On another note Eve is actually genevieve Nicole she is the the thin skinned bible thumper that started this whole thing, eve you and all you narrow minded homophobic friends can take a long walk off a short alter.. Thank you all Tom Rivers co owner of Ale Mary’s

  • zannelaw

    And catholics are the biggest drinkers of them all!!!