<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The struggle of Little Havana</title>
	<atom:link href="http://citythatbreeds.com/2009/03/the-struggle-of-little-havana/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://citythatbreeds.com/2009/03/the-struggle-of-little-havana/</link>
	<description>The dumber side of Baltimore.</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 20:19:41 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://citythatbreeds.com/2009/03/the-struggle-of-little-havana/comment-page-1/#comment-4065</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 13:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citythatbreeds.com/?p=1158#comment-4065</guid>
		<description>LGood, 
I am almost positive that the Crash Cafe project had another home besides where the Globe Brewing Company is.  I used to work at the Globe back in 1997 and I heard rumors back then about the Crash Cafe. 

Evan, 
Does the Obrecht Corp. own the whole parcel of land including where the Globe is located?  I asked Tim, from Havana&#039;s, about a rumor that I heard about him taking over the Globe and he said that it wasn&#039;t true.

Are there any pictures floating around of the new proposed Little Havana site?   I was at Havana&#039;s Sunday, I always forget how much fun that place is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LGood,<br />
I am almost positive that the Crash Cafe project had another home besides where the Globe Brewing Company is.  I used to work at the Globe back in 1997 and I heard rumors back then about the Crash Cafe. </p>
<p>Evan,<br />
Does the Obrecht Corp. own the whole parcel of land including where the Globe is located?  I asked Tim, from Havana&#8217;s, about a rumor that I heard about him taking over the Globe and he said that it wasn&#8217;t true.</p>
<p>Are there any pictures floating around of the new proposed Little Havana site?   I was at Havana&#8217;s Sunday, I always forget how much fun that place is.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: LGood</title>
		<link>http://citythatbreeds.com/2009/03/the-struggle-of-little-havana/comment-page-1/#comment-4008</link>
		<dc:creator>LGood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 01:40:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citythatbreeds.com/?p=1158#comment-4008</guid>
		<description>Jason,
Crash Cafe was an ill-fated Pat Turner project that was going to be built on the site where the Globe Brewing Company is now. The surrounding neighborhood shot that down in &#039;99 or 2000. I hope, for Havana&#039;s sake, that they will be allowed to use the Egan Marine space - it has such awesome potential and really isn&#039;t doing much good as an empty property now. Too bad they are on a year to year lease, I will keep my fingers crossed for those guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason,<br />
Crash Cafe was an ill-fated Pat Turner project that was going to be built on the site where the Globe Brewing Company is now. The surrounding neighborhood shot that down in &#8216;99 or 2000. I hope, for Havana&#8217;s sake, that they will be allowed to use the Egan Marine space &#8211; it has such awesome potential and really isn&#8217;t doing much good as an empty property now. Too bad they are on a year to year lease, I will keep my fingers crossed for those guys.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://citythatbreeds.com/2009/03/the-struggle-of-little-havana/comment-page-1/#comment-4006</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citythatbreeds.com/?p=1158#comment-4006</guid>
		<description>Oh yeah, good call on Heath St., I&#039;ve been meaning to publish that for a while now. Just saw a new sign up on it this past Sunday.

Yeah it looks pretty grim as far as that new location is concerned. Essentially now instead of having a revenue-generating attraction next to a marina, we&#039;ll have yet another all but abandoned piece of property serving as a &quot;buffer&quot; for industry. Pretty stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, good call on Heath St., I&#8217;ve been meaning to publish that for a while now. Just saw a new sign up on it this past Sunday.</p>
<p>Yeah it looks pretty grim as far as that new location is concerned. Essentially now instead of having a revenue-generating attraction next to a marina, we&#8217;ll have yet another all but abandoned piece of property serving as a &#8220;buffer&#8221; for industry. Pretty stupid.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://citythatbreeds.com/2009/03/the-struggle-of-little-havana/comment-page-1/#comment-4004</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citythatbreeds.com/?p=1158#comment-4004</guid>
		<description>Evan,

A long time ago, there was a rumor about a so-called Crash Cafe that was suppose to be built somewhere on Key Highway, more towards the Harbor.  I wonder if that could be it.  There was a rumor on Sam&#039;s blog about a location on Fort Avenue, but I don&#039;t think that would work out as well.  The sad thing is if the landlord sells the property then the tenant is out of luck with a year to year lease.  The landlord gets the money, of course, and the tenant loses the business, depending on the lease, of course.  I wish them the best. 

PS  info on the Heath Street building???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan,</p>
<p>A long time ago, there was a rumor about a so-called Crash Cafe that was suppose to be built somewhere on Key Highway, more towards the Harbor.  I wonder if that could be it.  There was a rumor on Sam&#8217;s blog about a location on Fort Avenue, but I don&#8217;t think that would work out as well.  The sad thing is if the landlord sells the property then the tenant is out of luck with a year to year lease.  The landlord gets the money, of course, and the tenant loses the business, depending on the lease, of course.  I wish them the best. </p>
<p>PS  info on the Heath Street building???</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://citythatbreeds.com/2009/03/the-struggle-of-little-havana/comment-page-1/#comment-4003</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 18:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citythatbreeds.com/?p=1158#comment-4003</guid>
		<description>I think there&#039;s always been a looming fear that the landlord (Obrecht Corp.) would sell based on the fact that they&#039;re constantly feuding with the Harborview developers, perhaps would simply want to wash their hands of it and get out. I&#039;m pretty sure a few offers have been put on the table more than once or twice, especially considering what Harborview wanted to do with the adjacent land (build yet another 17 story condo tower). 

At any rate, according to another city council member there&#039;s a rumor that they may be engaging in moving to a third, undisclosed area closer to the inner harbor and outside of the MIZOD. I would hope and assume that if Little Havana were forbidden from developing on land that they&#039;ve already acquired the city or the industrial associations would pay them quite handsomely for the property and not force them to put it on the market, that would be completely ludicrous. I&#039;ll be posting said council member&#039;s comments shortly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there&#8217;s always been a looming fear that the landlord (Obrecht Corp.) would sell based on the fact that they&#8217;re constantly feuding with the Harborview developers, perhaps would simply want to wash their hands of it and get out. I&#8217;m pretty sure a few offers have been put on the table more than once or twice, especially considering what Harborview wanted to do with the adjacent land (build yet another 17 story condo tower). </p>
<p>At any rate, according to another city council member there&#8217;s a rumor that they may be engaging in moving to a third, undisclosed area closer to the inner harbor and outside of the MIZOD. I would hope and assume that if Little Havana were forbidden from developing on land that they&#8217;ve already acquired the city or the industrial associations would pay them quite handsomely for the property and not force them to put it on the market, that would be completely ludicrous. I&#8217;ll be posting said council member&#8217;s comments shortly.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://citythatbreeds.com/2009/03/the-struggle-of-little-havana/comment-page-1/#comment-4002</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citythatbreeds.com/?p=1158#comment-4002</guid>
		<description>Evan, I emailed Reisinger and Bill Cole.  It doesn&#039;t look good for Havana&#039;s but they still have the place where they are now.  It just sucks when you have a year to year lease, this is why I locked in for 16 more years at No Idea and I still have 13 left at Don&#039;t Know, I got scared of my landlords selling the whole place before I had a chance to make a dollar.  If they can&#039;t open the building as a restaurant, are they able to get some sort of payment from the city.  I remember Hammerjacks getting compensated when the stadium demolished it.  Is the landlord of where Havana&#039;s is now, considering selling the place?  Please let me know if there is anything that I can do.

Thanks,

Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evan, I emailed Reisinger and Bill Cole.  It doesn&#8217;t look good for Havana&#8217;s but they still have the place where they are now.  It just sucks when you have a year to year lease, this is why I locked in for 16 more years at No Idea and I still have 13 left at Don&#8217;t Know, I got scared of my landlords selling the whole place before I had a chance to make a dollar.  If they can&#8217;t open the building as a restaurant, are they able to get some sort of payment from the city.  I remember Hammerjacks getting compensated when the stadium demolished it.  Is the landlord of where Havana&#8217;s is now, considering selling the place?  Please let me know if there is anything that I can do.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Jason</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Evan</title>
		<link>http://citythatbreeds.com/2009/03/the-struggle-of-little-havana/comment-page-1/#comment-4001</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citythatbreeds.com/?p=1158#comment-4001</guid>
		<description>Well my reasoning is only slightly more complicated than that:

Obviously the city shouldn&#039;t be able to tell property owners explicitly what to do with what&#039;s theirs, we&#039;ve been through this in the past with eminent domain (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.brejtp.com/maps/htn/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the highway to nowhere&lt;/a&gt;, etc.) and other strongarm tactics, and it more often than not fails catastrophically. With MIZOD, in my mind, it&#039;s effectively like setting up an &quot;industrial preserve&quot; in which property is set aside - voluntarily by the owners themselves - in order to account for the expanding and contracting of industrial cycles. As industry contracts, the property is protected for a period of time so that if and when business begins to expand again, there is space available to be retaken. That&#039;s essentially why I support it.

The particular portion of the Baltimore harbor in question is unique in that the space available for industry to breath is practically nonexistent, thus the heated debate over such a tiny space. But the truth of the matter, unfortunately, is that aside from Domino Sugar there is very little going industrially between The Museum of Industry and Tide Point. Essentially nothing. In my mind, the industrial uses of that tiny section of Key Higway have come and gone, they&#039;re dead, so it shouldn&#039;t really be a part of the MIZOD.

Getting back to the original point, it&#039;s &lt;em&gt;much harder&lt;/em&gt; to get rid of residential units (condos etc.) than it would be to relocate a restaurant, which is part of the reason I think that in the event (by some miracle) that industry is revitalized in the area the property could be bid on, sold, and used for whatever industrial purpose seen fit in a far smoother fashion than if say a highrise condo building were erected. Plus the argument boils down primarily to waterway usage, which in the case of a restaurant is completely moot, I see no reason why any industrial venture couldn&#039;t have a gentleman&#039;s agreement between owners and come up with a fair and decent way to utilize the &quot;deep water&quot; surrounding Egan Marine (it&#039;s not very deep at all). Which again, more than likely could not be pulled off if there are exceedingly wealthy residents of condos balking at the site of rusty boats being serviced right outside of their window.

I guess that&#039;s all for now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well my reasoning is only slightly more complicated than that:</p>
<p>Obviously the city shouldn&#8217;t be able to tell property owners explicitly what to do with what&#8217;s theirs, we&#8217;ve been through this in the past with eminent domain (<a href="http://www.brejtp.com/maps/htn/" rel="nofollow">the highway to nowhere</a>, etc.) and other strongarm tactics, and it more often than not fails catastrophically. With MIZOD, in my mind, it&#8217;s effectively like setting up an &#8220;industrial preserve&#8221; in which property is set aside &#8211; voluntarily by the owners themselves &#8211; in order to account for the expanding and contracting of industrial cycles. As industry contracts, the property is protected for a period of time so that if and when business begins to expand again, there is space available to be retaken. That&#8217;s essentially why I support it.</p>
<p>The particular portion of the Baltimore harbor in question is unique in that the space available for industry to breath is practically nonexistent, thus the heated debate over such a tiny space. But the truth of the matter, unfortunately, is that aside from Domino Sugar there is very little going industrially between The Museum of Industry and Tide Point. Essentially nothing. In my mind, the industrial uses of that tiny section of Key Higway have come and gone, they&#8217;re dead, so it shouldn&#8217;t really be a part of the MIZOD.</p>
<p>Getting back to the original point, it&#8217;s <em>much harder</em> to get rid of residential units (condos etc.) than it would be to relocate a restaurant, which is part of the reason I think that in the event (by some miracle) that industry is revitalized in the area the property could be bid on, sold, and used for whatever industrial purpose seen fit in a far smoother fashion than if say a highrise condo building were erected. Plus the argument boils down primarily to waterway usage, which in the case of a restaurant is completely moot, I see no reason why any industrial venture couldn&#8217;t have a gentleman&#8217;s agreement between owners and come up with a fair and decent way to utilize the &#8220;deep water&#8221; surrounding Egan Marine (it&#8217;s not very deep at all). Which again, more than likely could not be pulled off if there are exceedingly wealthy residents of condos balking at the site of rusty boats being serviced right outside of their window.</p>
<p>I guess that&#8217;s all for now</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://citythatbreeds.com/2009/03/the-struggle-of-little-havana/comment-page-1/#comment-4000</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://citythatbreeds.com/?p=1158#comment-4000</guid>
		<description>So you think it&#039;s fine for the city to tell property owners what they can and can not do with thier property, unless you want some use prohibited by the city?  So your favorite bar should get an exemption, but someone who wants to build condos should not, because that&#039;s what you like.

When you give the city (state) the power to determine the use of property, you give up your rights to determine the use for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So you think it&#8217;s fine for the city to tell property owners what they can and can not do with thier property, unless you want some use prohibited by the city?  So your favorite bar should get an exemption, but someone who wants to build condos should not, because that&#8217;s what you like.</p>
<p>When you give the city (state) the power to determine the use of property, you give up your rights to determine the use for yourself.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
